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  • 1.  Industry capture

    Posted 05-27-2010 10:25
    Yes, I think Bob Herbert has expressed it best in a recent column, "More Than Just an Oil Spill" NY Times 5/22/10 (print edition).

    "It permeates and undermines the ecosystem in much the same way that big corporations have permeated and undermined our political system, with similarly devastating results."

    Full Op-ed online here:
    www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1>

    Fredrica
    ________________________________
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion [ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Hargrave [THargrave@UWB.EDU]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:46 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the USgovernment in the Gulf?


    Industry capture also seems to be an important and emerging part of this story. As in Enron, the mortgage crisis, etc etc, neither the company nor the 'police' did their job. The much celebrated move towards more collaborative public policy perhaps needs some challenging and rethinking.

    Tim



  • 2.  Industry capture

    Posted 05-27-2010 18:43
    A thought I have had recently is related more to the "capture" of watchdogs
    and NGOs. Particularly early on, I was surprised by the lack of
    mobilization from advocacy organizations (at least a lack of volume); I went
    back through email and it took 8 days for a message to hit my inbox from
    Sierra Club. It seems that this may be slowly changing as the situation
    lingers and grows, however, it also seems that cross-sectional
    "collaborative" solution-making has become an important strategy for
    environmental NGO's legitimacy efforts. As NRDC, EDF, Sierra Club, TNC
    invest significantly into partnerships for environmental change, they
    provide legitimacy to corporate environmental improvement (and perhaps
    facilitate significant gains). But, they also may reduce their impact as an
    outside watchdog (unwillingness to jeopardize corporate relationships,
    concern over reputation as a "good" future partner, fear of association,
    etc.). Are only "radical" organizations left to play the part of social
    mobilizer (i.e. corporate collaboration is increasingly required to be
    considered "mainstream")? If so, who/what else is available to play this
    part? What does this mean for "collaborative problem solving" going
    forward? Will these same NGOs continue to provide legitimacy to private
    governance efforts, or have their images also been tarnished through this?

    Just wondering if anyone else is thinking of these things more seriously. I
    have been "Sunday morning quarterbacking" in this space recently, but would
    love to hear other (better developed) thoughts, if they are out there.

    Best, Tim
    _______________________________________________________
    Timothy M. Smith
    Director, NorthStar Initiative for Sustainable Enterprise
    Institute on the Environment
    Associate Professor, Environmental Sciences, Policy & Management
    Bioproduct & Biosystems Engineering
    University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Campus
    Phone: 612.624.6755 (BBE)
    Phone: 612.624.2648 (NISE/IonE)
    email: timsmith@umn.edu
    web: www.environment.umn.edu/nise


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rudell, Fredrica
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:25 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Industry capture

    Yes, I think Bob Herbert has expressed it best in a recent column, "More
    Than Just an Oil Spill" NY Times 5/22/10 (print edition).

    "It permeates and undermines the ecosystem in much the same way that big
    corporations have permeated and undermined our political system, with
    similarly devastating results."

    Full Op-ed online here:
    www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1<http://www.nytime
    s.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1>

    Fredrica
    ________________________________
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Hargrave [THargrave@UWB.EDU]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:46 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the
    USgovernment in the Gulf?


    Industry capture also seems to be an important and emerging part of this
    story. As in Enron, the mortgage crisis, etc etc, neither the company nor
    the 'police' did their job. The much celebrated move towards more
    collaborative public policy perhaps needs some challenging and rethinking.

    Tim



  • 3.  Industry capture

    Posted 05-28-2010 00:52
    I don't think anyone is brave enough to take this on!

    Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
    Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
    Graduate School of Business
    my "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
    now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
    >>> "Timothy M. Smith" <smith463@UMN.EDU> 28/05/10 1:01 PM >>>
    A thought I have had recently is related more to the "capture" of watchdogs
    and NGOs. Particularly early on, I was surprised by the lack of
    mobilization from advocacy organizations (at least a lack of volume); I went
    back through email and it took 8 days for a message to hit my inbox from
    Sierra Club. It seems that this may be slowly changing as the situation
    lingers and grows, however, it also seems that cross-sectional
    "collaborative" solution-making has become an important strategy for
    environmental NGO's legitimacy efforts. As NRDC, EDF, Sierra Club, TNC
    invest significantly into partnerships for environmental change, they
    provide legitimacy to corporate environmental improvement (and perhaps
    facilitate significant gains). But, they also may reduce their impact as an
    outside watchdog (unwillingness to jeopardize corporate relationships,
    concern over reputation as a "good" future partner, fear of association,
    etc.). Are only "radical" organizations left to play the part of social
    mobilizer (i.e. corporate collaboration is increasingly required to be
    considered "mainstream")? If so, who/what else is available to play this
    part? What does this mean for "collaborative problem solving" going
    forward? Will these same NGOs continue to provide legitimacy to private
    governance efforts, or have their images also been tarnished through this?

    Just wondering if anyone else is thinking of these things more seriously. I
    have been "Sunday morning quarterbacking" in this space recently, but would
    love to hear other (better developed) thoughts, if they are out there.

    Best, Tim
    _______________________________________________________
    Timothy M. Smith
    Director, NorthStar Initiative for Sustainable Enterprise
    Institute on the Environment
    Associate Professor, Environmental Sciences, Policy & Management
    Bioproduct & Biosystems Engineering
    University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Campus
    Phone: 612.624.6755 (BBE)
    Phone: 612.624.2648 (NISE/IonE)
    email: timsmith@umn.edu
    web: www.environment.umn.edu/nise


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rudell, Fredrica
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:25 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Industry capture

    Yes, I think Bob Herbert has expressed it best in a recent column, "More
    Than Just an Oil Spill" NY Times 5/22/10 (print edition).

    "It permeates and undermines the ecosystem in much the same way that big
    corporations have permeated and undermined our political system, with
    similarly devastating results."

    Full Op-ed online here:
    www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1<http://www.nytime
    s.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1>

    Fredrica
    ________________________________
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Hargrave [THargrave@UWB.EDU]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:46 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the
    USgovernment in the Gulf?


    Industry capture also seems to be an important and emerging part of this
    story. As in Enron, the mortgage crisis, etc etc, neither the company nor
    the 'police' did their job. The much celebrated move towards more
    collaborative public policy perhaps needs some challenging and rethinking.

    Tim



  • 4.  Industry capture

    Posted 05-28-2010 02:27
    Tim et al.

    In terms of "watchdogging", I think the focus in this past decade has not been on the regional and point focus of environmental damage caused by organizations, but more so on the broader impact. That is, global warming versus localized/regionalized oil spills. For example, when BP's pipeline's in Alaska leaked, I don't remember observing too much outcry. Maybe the shift will go back to an operational focus again, but does that hurt the broader longer term issues? Yes, they are related but sometimes the focus becomes so tunnel visioned that we lose sight of the many other environmental issues that exist.

    It also makes me wonder how many of the 'properly' functioning deep sea oil drilling locations have been leaking significant amounts of petroleum for years.

    I also agree with most on here that it was a systemic failure and that we, as consumers of cheap petroleum products, are to take some of the blame.

    Here's a snarky 'bright-side of life' thought. At least this petroleum will slightly reduce the amount of carbon emissions that enter the atmosphere.

    -Joe



    ________________________________________
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion [ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy M. Smith [smith463@UMN.EDU]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:43 PM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Industry capture

    A thought I have had recently is related more to the "capture" of watchdogs
    and NGOs. Particularly early on, I was surprised by the lack of
    mobilization from advocacy organizations (at least a lack of volume); I went
    back through email and it took 8 days for a message to hit my inbox from
    Sierra Club. It seems that this may be slowly changing as the situation
    lingers and grows, however, it also seems that cross-sectional
    "collaborative" solution-making has become an important strategy for
    environmental NGO's legitimacy efforts. As NRDC, EDF, Sierra Club, TNC
    invest significantly into partnerships for environmental change, they
    provide legitimacy to corporate environmental improvement (and perhaps
    facilitate significant gains). But, they also may reduce their impact as an
    outside watchdog (unwillingness to jeopardize corporate relationships,
    concern over reputation as a "good" future partner, fear of association,
    etc.). Are only "radical" organizations left to play the part of social
    mobilizer (i.e. corporate collaboration is increasingly required to be
    considered "mainstream")? If so, who/what else is available to play this
    part? What does this mean for "collaborative problem solving" going
    forward? Will these same NGOs continue to provide legitimacy to private
    governance efforts, or have their images also been tarnished through this?

    Just wondering if anyone else is thinking of these things more seriously. I
    have been "Sunday morning quarterbacking" in this space recently, but would
    love to hear other (better developed) thoughts, if they are out there.

    Best, Tim
    _______________________________________________________
    Timothy M. Smith
    Director, NorthStar Initiative for Sustainable Enterprise
    Institute on the Environment
    Associate Professor, Environmental Sciences, Policy & Management
    Bioproduct & Biosystems Engineering
    University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Campus
    Phone: 612.624.6755 (BBE)
    Phone: 612.624.2648 (NISE/IonE)
    email: timsmith@umn.edu
    web: www.environment.umn.edu/nise


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rudell, Fredrica
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:25 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Industry capture

    Yes, I think Bob Herbert has expressed it best in a recent column, "More
    Than Just an Oil Spill" NY Times 5/22/10 (print edition).

    "It permeates and undermines the ecosystem in much the same way that big
    corporations have permeated and undermined our political system, with
    similarly devastating results."

    Full Op-ed online here:
    www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1<http://www.nytime
    s.com/2010/05/22/opinion/22herbert.html?emc=eta1>

    Fredrica
    ________________________________
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Hargrave [THargrave@UWB.EDU]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:46 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the
    USgovernment in the Gulf?


    Industry capture also seems to be an important and emerging part of this
    story. As in Enron, the mortgage crisis, etc etc, neither the company nor
    the 'police' did their job. The much celebrated move towards more
    collaborative public policy perhaps needs some challenging and rethinking.

    Tim