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  • 1.  Paul - You are mentioned in this posting

    Posted 03-11-2010 07:58
    Charlie, Thanks for this alert.  Some how it did not arrive in my Inbox from ONE-L.  
    Ken, you raise very important issues on methodologies (and underlying epistemologies) for studying SD. This is a very long conversation, and I dont know how to summarize it here.  So, I want to focus it one specific finding in the sociology of knowledge production about SD in the "Business disciplines", and then propose a conference on "breaking the silos".  

    SD is indeed a holistic, global, trans-disciplinary topic that defies narrow disciplinary understanding.  Unfortunately science as a method of knowledge is done in narrow disciplines.  Just like ONE in Management Studies, now there are equivalent "green" research niches/networks in Marketing, Accounting, Finance, Operations and IT functional areas.  Each has their own listserve, conference, and some journals.  Each is using its own language, frameworks, methodologies to understand the implications of SD for their respective functions.  We don't talk to each other.  We are reinventing the wheel within each functional area.  This is huge waste of energy (esp. for groups that seek energy efficiency!).  

    I am doing a project to understand how different sub-disciplines of Business are approaching SD, -  with the hope of ultimately bringing these groups together in a conference on "breaking the silos" we live in.  The silos are not just disciplinary, they also cut across academic/practitioner, cognitive/emotional/physical, and many other orientations.  

    If anyone on this list is interested in such cross-disciplinary conversation, please let me know.  Since ONE is in Montreal this year, if there is interest in this we could meet a day prior to the AoM to explore it further.

    With Best Regards,
    paul S.

    Paul Shrivastava, Ph. D.
    David O'Brien Distinguished Professor of Sustainable Enterprise, and
    Director, David O'Brien Center for Sustainable Enterprise


    John Molson School of Business
    Concordia University
    Mail: 1455 De Maisonneuve Blvd West, Suite MB 6-327
    Montreal, Quebec, H3G 1M8
    Ph. 514-848-2424 Ext 2367
    Fax. 514-848-4547

    Office: MB 6-327, Molson Building, 1450 Rue Guy

    On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Charles Wankel wrote:



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ken Peattie
    Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:00 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Is Research in SD a 'Special Case' - A Plea for Helpful Thoughts

    Dear ONE-ers,

    A plea for thoughts and help (and maybe an interesting discussion starter
    to make up for the long post). Long story/short version - I've been asked
    to write an introductory chapter to a book on social science research
    methods for sustainability/SD as a 'personal reflections' chapter (based on
    20 years on-and-off struggling with it as much as other claims of teaching
    and admin allowed).

    The upside is I mainly have to reflect, the downside is it is limited by my
    own experience of a particular discipline (management) and personal
    prejudices about issues and methodologies (I've done both quants and qual
    research, but have no experience of ethnography for example or some of the
    fancy new methodologies my younger colleagues are so competent with). I
    also have no real grounding in 'knowledge  production' scholarship as it
    relates to SD. So I suddenly had the genius idea of consulting ONE-ers to
    help fill the wide open spaces in my knowledge, experience and thinking
    with their insights and perhaps useful sources.

    Some of my reflections so far (merely caricatured here for provocation &

    some attempt at brevity) include ideas that conducting SD social science
    research is hampered by a number of factors including tendencies:

    1. Towards confusion caused by the many and varied conceptions of
    sustainability that researchers use (not just hard vs soft- I find Hopwood
    et al's mapping from status quo oriented, through reform, to
    transformational and varying between social justice focused and
    environmental protection focused useful for addressing this);

    2. Ignoring the 'everything is connected to everything else' law of
    ecology, and continuing to construct abstracted and bounded models of a
    complex reality in the hope of isolating some relatively simple cause and
    effect relationships.

    3. Using snapshot research with still relatively few longitudinal
    studies, yet we're considering a long-term/open-ended phenomenon (I think
    of 2 + 3 as trying to understand an elephant by taking a myriad of close
    range polaroids of it);

    4. Reducing people to very abstract one-dimensional constructs
    (consumer, investor, worker, voter etc) rather than getting to know them as
    people;

    5. Measuring some slightly strange things. For example in one of my
    areas of interest, consumer behavior, there's a tendency to measure pro-
    environmental behavior by surveying intentions (even though we know plenty
    about the gap between attitudes/intentions and behavior), and classifying a
    behavior as pro-environmental on the basis of the intention not the
    environmental consequences. For example, if we embark on well-intentioned
    energy saving at home, that is 'pro-environmental' even if we 'rebound' by
    spending the money saved on something yet more energy intensive.

    6. A scholarly tradition of building up knowledge incrementally, yet
    sustainability challenges the foundations of many disciplines (like the
    assumption that growth is good in economics for example). Years ago I was
    inspired by Paul Shrivastava's critique of how it challenges the whole
    basis of organization studies for example. However, being critical of the
    cumulative academic tradition in your discipline can feel like career-plan
    suicide for the bright young researchers whose energy I'd like to see
    harnessed more. Are social sciences perhaps less open than physical
    sciences to those received wisdom changing - 'Ooh look, proof that stomach
    ulcers are caused by a bacteria, not stress' moments?

    7. A continuing emphasis on specific disciplines, making it hard to
    study something so fundamentally holistic and trans-disciplinary. Journals,
    refereeing processes and funding bodies talk about interdisciplinarity -
    but often seem to find it hard to walk the talk.

    8. Many (sub)disciplines still strongly favour quantitative methods
    and model building approaches which often to my eye throw away 95% plus of
    complexity/reality in order to test a subset of issues/relationships -
    which I have no problem with, till they start making very definite
    recommendations for policy and practice based on their results.

    9. Still too much separation between those with academic expertise,
    and those with practical experience, rather than greater integration in the
    co-creation of useful knowledge;

    10. The four points above contribute to the idea of 'narrow channels'
    between those who produce and might use knowledge - too many specialised
    journals, wanting 6,000 word articles which stick to a narrow range of
    methodological conventions (and writing in a language which locks knowledge
    into the academic sphere more than unlocking it for others) and which avoid
    anything heretical. Not enough space to build anything more holistic or
    allow the transition to the type of 'sustaincentric' paradigm that the
    likes of Gladwin argue for (following on from Dunlap & Van Liere's NEP);

    I'll stop before this becomes an essay not a post (apologies for the
    length/big can of worms)- but I hope people are interested enough to flag
    up their thoughts on whether sustainability is a special research case (or
    is it exactly like a range of other integrative topics like 'health'?), and
    why sustainability social science research might be particularly
    challenging, and point me towards any useful sources they're familiar with.

    Thanks, Ken.




  • 2.  Paul - You are mentioned in this posting

    Posted 03-11-2010 10:03
    Paul:
    Another meeting that might be a good match to bring business school people together across disciplines is the Northeast Campus Sustainability Consortium (NECSC) annual conference, which will be held at McGill Univeristy in Montreal in the Fall 2010 (I believe late October).
    Kathleen Ng, Sustainability Coordinator at McGill (kathleen.ng@mcgill.ca) is organizing this conference, which brings together campus presidents, sustainability directors, managers, VP's, faculty and students from a wide numbers of schools from Canada through the Mid-Atlantic states. There is a website for NECSC buried in Yale's sustainability office website, as Julie Newman, head of the sustainability office at Yale, is the organizational coordinator of NECSC, which has monthly phone calls between annual meetings. Each school that hosts a conference usually also has a NECSC weblink, and Katherine NG has posted one for the McGill 2010 NECSC conference (website below).
    I have been trying to get business schools more involved in this event as part of my work over the past 4 years as part-time Executive Director for the NJ Higher Education Partnership for Sustainability (NJHEPS) , who co-hosted the 2008 NECSC conference with Princeton University. The FDU business school's Institute for Sustainable Enterprise was a participant in Prnceton.
    I stepped down from the NJHEPS ED role in February, but I am still working with NJHEPS on a 3-year EPA grant to run training workshops for colleges and universities in EPA Region 2 on how to reduce energy use and GHG emissions, thus saving money (making campus Presidents, CFO's and Board's happy) and protecting the environment (making sustainability folks happy).
    Last year's NECSC conference was held at U. of Vermont, and at Princeton the year before, with about 150-200 attendees each. I helped organize the Princeton conference, and planned an interesting panel on whether "nuclear energy is part of solving the sustainability puzzle- or part of the problem", that included Ralph Izzo, the CEO of the NJ utility company PSEG (which runs several nuclear plants), an anti-nuclear activist, and a noted climate professor/expert from Princeton (somewhere in the middle), all moderated by the President of the NJ Board of Public Utilities, Jeanne Fox.
    By definition, these campus sustainability folks have cross-silo responsibilities across ENTIRE campuses, and might be open to having a conference track on working across the different functions within business schools. I believe this year's conference theme will be "Globalization and Sustainability", which a lot of business school sustainability researchers are looking at within their own disciplines, whether marketing, finance, accounting, etc.
    best regards,
    John
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    715 North Avenue, New Rochelle NY 10801
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    91 Middle Road, Eastchester NY 10709 USA
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  • 3.  Paul - You are mentioned in this posting

    Posted 03-11-2010 17:14

    Paul's key point of "breaking the silos" is at the core of moving our scholarship to addressing systemic sustainability-related issues.  In addressing the systemic issues, research across the business disciplines seems to address the industrial age 'anomalies' only within each discipline.  It seems to me that the emphasis on 'green' in business scholarship has furthered fragmented an already highly fragmented field - exactly counter to the direction that scholarship needs to move in order to address the systemic issues.  The concept Paul forwards for a forum comfortable for multiple disciplines is a move in the right direction.  Over the past three years we've attempted at Portland State to provide such a forum. Our annual conference invites submissions from across the disciplines and has had great engagement from management, operations/SLM, marketing and (critical perspectives) accounting academics.  Although we set up paper sessions based on disciplinary silos, there is ample opportunity throughout the two days to talk with those we normally would not talk with - that is, those outside of our discipline.  In addition, all the academics spend the first day of the conference listening to and engaging in dialog with practitioners from an assortment of large and small businesses.  And it's quite enjoyable to see many of the practitioners stick around for the second day and participate in the academic paper sessions.  The conference represents our attempt, albeit relatively small, to 'break the silos'.  I second Paul's encouragement for a conversation on how to advance efforts in holistic, trans-disciplinary scholarship and hopefully can share some of the lessons learned from our efforts.

    Cheers,
    Scott



    Paul Shrivastava wrote:
    F76A8269-8D83-4AEF-B9B2-1581B136E2B3@gmail.com" type="cite">Charlie, Thanks for this alert.  Some how it did not arrive in my Inbox from ONE-L.  
    Ken, you raise very important issues on methodologies (and underlying epistemologies) for studying SD. This is a very long conversation, and I dont know how to summarize it here.  So, I want to focus it one specific finding in the sociology of knowledge production about SD in the "Business disciplines", and then propose a conference on "breaking the silos".  

    SD is indeed a holistic, global, trans-disciplinary topic that defies narrow disciplinary understanding.  Unfortunately science as a method of knowledge is done in narrow disciplines.  Just like ONE in Management Studies, now there are equivalent "green" research niches/networks in Marketing, Accounting, Finance, Operations and IT functional areas.  Each has their own listserve, conference, and some journals.  Each is using its own language, frameworks, methodologies to understand the implications of SD for their respective functions.  We don't talk to each other.  We are reinventing the wheel within each functional area.  This is huge waste of energy (esp. for groups that seek energy efficiency!).  

    I am doing a project to understand how different sub-disciplines of Business are approaching SD, -  with the hope of ultimately bringing these groups together in a conference on "breaking the silos" we live in.  The silos are not just disciplinary, they also cut across academic/practitioner, cognitive/emotional/physical, and many other orientations.  

    If anyone on this list is interested in such cross-disciplinary conversation, please let me know.  Since ONE is in Montreal this year, if there is interest in this we could meet a day prior to the AoM to explore it further.

    With Best Regards,
    paul S.

    Paul Shrivastava, Ph. D.
    David O'Brien Distinguished Professor of Sustainable Enterprise, and
    Director, David O'Brien Center for Sustainable Enterprise


    John Molson School of Business
    Concordia University
    Mail: 1455 De Maisonneuve Blvd West, Suite MB 6-327
    Montreal, Quebec, H3G 1M8
    Ph. 514-848-2424 Ext 2367
    Fax. 514-848-4547

    Office: MB 6-327, Molson Building, 1450 Rue Guy

    On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Charles Wankel wrote:



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ken Peattie
    Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:00 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Is Research in SD a 'Special Case' - A Plea for Helpful Thoughts

    Dear ONE-ers,

    A plea for thoughts and help (and maybe an interesting discussion starter
    to make up for the long post). Long story/short version - I've been asked
    to write an introductory chapter to a book on social science research
    methods for sustainability/SD as a 'personal reflections' chapter (based on
    20 years on-and-off struggling with it as much as other claims of teaching
    and admin allowed).

    The upside is I mainly have to reflect, the downside is it is limited by my
    own experience of a particular discipline (management) and personal
    prejudices about issues and methodologies (I've done both quants and qual
    research, but have no experience of ethnography for example or some of the
    fancy new methodologies my younger colleagues are so competent with). I
    also have no real grounding in 'knowledge  production' scholarship as it
    relates to SD. So I suddenly had the genius idea of consulting ONE-ers to
    help fill the wide open spaces in my knowledge, experience and thinking
    with their insights and perhaps useful sources.

    Some of my reflections so far (merely caricatured here for provocation &

    some attempt at brevity) include ideas that conducting SD social science
    research is hampered by a number of factors including tendencies:

    1. Towards confusion caused by the many and varied conceptions of
    sustainability that researchers use (not just hard vs soft- I find Hopwood
    et al's mapping from status quo oriented, through reform, to
    transformational and varying between social justice focused and
    environmental protection focused useful for addressing this);

    2. Ignoring the 'everything is connected to everything else' law of
    ecology, and continuing to construct abstracted and bounded models of a
    complex reality in the hope of isolating some relatively simple cause and
    effect relationships.

    3. Using snapshot research with still relatively few longitudinal
    studies, yet we're considering a long-term/open-ended phenomenon (I think
    of 2 + 3 as trying to understand an elephant by taking a myriad of close
    range polaroids of it);

    4. Reducing people to very abstract one-dimensional constructs
    (consumer, investor, worker, voter etc) rather than getting to know them as
    people;

    5. Measuring some slightly strange things. For example in one of my
    areas of interest, consumer behavior, there's a tendency to measure pro-
    environmental behavior by surveying intentions (even though we know plenty
    about the gap between attitudes/intentions and behavior), and classifying a
    behavior as pro-environmental on the basis of the intention not the
    environmental consequences. For example, if we embark on well-intentioned
    energy saving at home, that is 'pro-environmental' even if we 'rebound' by
    spending the money saved on something yet more energy intensive.

    6. A scholarly tradition of building up knowledge incrementally, yet
    sustainability challenges the foundations of many disciplines (like the
    assumption that growth is good in economics for example). Years ago I was
    inspired by Paul Shrivastava's critique of how it challenges the whole
    basis of organization studies for example. However, being critical of the
    cumulative academic tradition in your discipline can feel like career-plan
    suicide for the bright young researchers whose energy I'd like to see
    harnessed more. Are social sciences perhaps less open than physical
    sciences to those received wisdom changing - 'Ooh look, proof that stomach
    ulcers are caused by a bacteria, not stress' moments?

    7. A continuing emphasis on specific disciplines, making it hard to
    study something so fundamentally holistic and trans-disciplinary. Journals,
    refereeing processes and funding bodies talk about interdisciplinarity -
    but often seem to find it hard to walk the talk.

    8. Many (sub)disciplines still strongly favour quantitative methods
    and model building approaches which often to my eye throw away 95% plus of
    complexity/reality in order to test a subset of issues/relationships -
    which I have no problem with, till they start making very definite
    recommendations for policy and practice based on their results.

    9. Still too much separation between those with academic expertise,
    and those with practical experience, rather than greater integration in the
    co-creation of useful knowledge;

    10. The four points above contribute to the idea of 'narrow channels'
    between those who produce and might use knowledge - too many specialised
    journals, wanting 6,000 word articles which stick to a narrow range of
    methodological conventions (and writing in a language which locks knowledge
    into the academic sphere more than unlocking it for others) and which avoid
    anything heretical. Not enough space to build anything more holistic or
    allow the transition to the type of 'sustaincentric' paradigm that the
    likes of Gladwin argue for (following on from Dunlap & Van Liere's NEP);

    I'll stop before this becomes an essay not a post (apologies for the
    length/big can of worms)- but I hope people are interested enough to flag
    up their thoughts on whether sustainability is a special research case (or
    is it exactly like a range of other integrative topics like 'health'?), and
    why sustainability social science research might be particularly
    challenging, and point me towards any useful sources they're familiar with.

    Thanks, Ken.




    --

    Scott Marshall
    Associate Dean for Graduate Programs and Research
    School of Business
    Portland State University

    503-725-4842
    scottm@sba.pdx.edu
    www.pdx.edu/sba