View Thread

  • 1.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 05:08

    Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?  If so, post your comments.  What would be especially appreciated would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we should be mulling over.

     

    Best regards,

    Charles Wankel

    ONE-L List Director

    St. John's University, New York

    http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    Add me on LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc

     



  • 2.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 05:11
    warnings ignored, fights prior to the incident, failure to do test,
    unclear who is in charge, typical stuff.

    On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Charles Wankel <wankelc@verizon.net> wrote:
    > Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in
    > the Gulf?  If so, post your comments.  What would be especially appreciated
    > would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we
    > should be mulling over.
    >
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Charles Wankel
    >
    > ONE-L List Director
    >
    > St. John's University, New York
    >
    > http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    > Add me on LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc
    >
    >



    --
    Alfred A. Marcus
    Professor and Spencer Chair in Strategy and Technological Leadership
    University of Minnesota
    Carlson School of Management
    Strategic Management and Organization Department
    Minneapolis, MN. 55455 USA
    612 624 2812
    amarcus@umn.edu


  • 3.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 05:40
    Similar findings were made public in the Australian press after a trial, where another multinational petrochemical firm was found to be guilty of all sorts of failure to take necessary precautions in relation to a gas plant explosion. I think it is a chronic industry-wide issue. Shell did not behave sustainably until John Elkington and other activists made an impact by blockading European Shell service stations for a month - John Elkington was soon a key advisor to the Shell Board. REad about it at the SustainAbility.com website.

    Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
    Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
    Graduate School of Business
    my "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
    now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
    >>> Alfred Marcus <amarcus@UMN.EDU> 27/05/10 7:28 PM >>>
    warnings ignored, fights prior to the incident, failure to do test,
    unclear who is in charge, typical stuff.

    On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Charles Wankel <wankelc@verizon.net> wrote:
    > Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in
    > the Gulf? If so, post your comments. What would be especially appreciated
    > would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we
    > should be mulling over.
    >
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Charles Wankel
    >
    > ONE-L List Director
    >
    > St. John's University, New York
    >
    > http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    > Add me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc
    >
    >



    --
    Alfred A. Marcus
    Professor and Spencer Chair in Strategy and Technological Leadership
    University of Minnesota
    Carlson School of Management
    Strategic Management and Organization Department
    Minneapolis, MN. 55455 USA
    612 624 2812
    amarcus@umn.edu


  • 4.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 10:37
    How about several articles every day in the Wall Street Journal? Today (Thursday May 27) there were several detailed articles discussing the series of events leading to the blow-out itself, as well as predictions of success in the top-kill project. The primary article is on the front page.

    Regards,
    Greg Lorton, P.E., D.B.A.
    Air Quality Program Manager
    Navy Region Southwest
    937 N. Harbor Drive, Room S510
    San Diego, CA 92132
    619-532-2921
    gregory.lorton@navy.mil
    and
    Adjunct Faculty - Strategic Management and Environmental Management
    Alliant International University

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:08
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf? If so, post your comments. What would be especially appreciated would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we should be mulling over.



    Best regards,

    Charles Wankel

    ONE-L List Director

    St. John's University, New York

    http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    Add me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc


  • 5.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 11:06
    I hate what is happening, but then again, what is the purpose of bad things,
    if not that we have something to learn from them?

    I think that this is providing extensive food for thought across industries,
    not just in the oil and gas sector. While BP needs to be in the news to
    create public awareness, I think it's not 'their' problem, it's our problem
    - and 'our' is not just US inhabitants. I was happy to hear that Norway and
    Mexico will help, we need all the imagination and expertise available.

    Isabel


    Isabel Rimanoczy
    Global Virtual Faculty
    Fairleigh Dickinson University


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lionel Boxer
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:40 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US
    government in the Gulf?

    Similar findings were made public in the Australian press after a trial,
    where another multinational petrochemical firm was found to be guilty of all
    sorts of failure to take necessary precautions in relation to a gas plant
    explosion. I think it is a chronic industry-wide issue. Shell did not
    behave sustainably until John Elkington and other activists made an impact
    by blockading European Shell service stations for a month - John Elkington
    was soon a key advisor to the Shell Board. REad about it at the
    SustainAbility.com website.

    Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
    Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
    Graduate School of Business
    my "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
    now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
    >>> Alfred Marcus <amarcus@UMN.EDU> 27/05/10 7:28 PM >>>
    warnings ignored, fights prior to the incident, failure to do test,
    unclear who is in charge, typical stuff.

    On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Charles Wankel <wankelc@verizon.net> wrote:
    > Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government
    in
    > the Gulf? If so, post your comments. What would be especially
    appreciated
    > would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we
    > should be mulling over.
    >
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Charles Wankel
    >
    > ONE-L List Director
    >
    > St. John's University, New York
    >
    > http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    > Add me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc
    >
    >



    --
    Alfred A. Marcus
    Professor and Spencer Chair in Strategy and Technological Leadership
    University of Minnesota
    Carlson School of Management
    Strategic Management and Organization Department
    Minneapolis, MN. 55455 USA
    612 624 2812
    amarcus@umn.edu

    No virus found in this incoming message.
    Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
    Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2897 - Release Date: 05/26/10
    14:26:00


  • 6.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 11:53
    Precisely Isabel

    We do not have the right to consume so much and be so wasteful.
    See:
    http://www.countercurrents.org/baker220510.htm

    Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
    Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
    Graduate School of Business
    my "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
    now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
    >>> isabel rimanoczy <isabel.rimanoczy@LEGACYCOACHING.NET> 28/05/10 1:13 AM >>>
    I hate what is happening, but then again, what is the purpose of bad things,
    if not that we have something to learn from them?

    I think that this is providing extensive food for thought across industries,
    not just in the oil and gas sector. While BP needs to be in the news to
    create public awareness, I think it's not 'their' problem, it's our problem
    - and 'our' is not just US inhabitants. I was happy to hear that Norway and
    Mexico will help, we need all the imagination and expertise available.

    Isabel


    Isabel Rimanoczy
    Global Virtual Faculty
    Fairleigh Dickinson University


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lionel Boxer
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:40 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US
    government in the Gulf?

    Similar findings were made public in the Australian press after a trial,
    where another multinational petrochemical firm was found to be guilty of all
    sorts of failure to take necessary precautions in relation to a gas plant
    explosion. I think it is a chronic industry-wide issue. Shell did not
    behave sustainably until John Elkington and other activists made an impact
    by blockading European Shell service stations for a month - John Elkington
    was soon a key advisor to the Shell Board. REad about it at the
    SustainAbility.com website.

    Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
    Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
    Graduate School of Business
    my "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
    now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
    >>> Alfred Marcus <amarcus@UMN.EDU> 27/05/10 7:28 PM >>>
    warnings ignored, fights prior to the incident, failure to do test,
    unclear who is in charge, typical stuff.

    On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Charles Wankel <wankelc@verizon.net> wrote:
    > Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government
    in
    > the Gulf? If so, post your comments. What would be especially
    appreciated
    > would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we
    > should be mulling over.
    >
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Charles Wankel
    >
    > ONE-L List Director
    >
    > St. John's University, New York
    >
    > http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    > Add me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc
    >
    >



    --
    Alfred A. Marcus
    Professor and Spencer Chair in Strategy and Technological Leadership
    University of Minnesota
    Carlson School of Management
    Strategic Management and Organization Department
    Minneapolis, MN. 55455 USA
    612 624 2812
    amarcus@umn.edu

    No virus found in this incoming message.
    Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
    Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2897 - Release Date: 05/26/10
    14:26:00


  • 7.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 16:52
    This oil spill tragedy saddens me deeply. It probably saddens most people in the country.

    If we think of the organizational world as comprised of government, government sponsored enterprises, and private firms (among others), which
    of these is most likely to be responsive to a paradigm shift like the shift to sustainability? The government, probably, because as individuals
    shift their paradigm from growth to conservation, they will elect representatives who agree with them, who will in turn implement conservation. GSEs and companies
    are just that much farther removed from elected officials that they will be less affected by such paradigm changes. And, too, in the case of
    companies (and some GSEs) , they have a profit-making mission that is logically antithetical to conservation. (Long conversation on that will not follow!)

    Which brings me to my main point: In my view we are irresponsible, as citizens and as teachers, if we are not teaching our students
    about government--good government, accountable government, administrative government, corrupt government, and of course business and
    government. Somewhere understanding government (and the attendant power structures ) has to get into curricula for business (and all) students.


    Rae André, Ph. D.
    Professor, Organizational Behavior and Theory
    College of Business Administration
    Northeastern University

    website: raeandre.com

    "To more hopeful prophets, ties based upon conscious relatedness may someday replace those of blood and soil."
    --David Riesman
    ________________________________________
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion [ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel [wankelc@VERIZON.NET]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:07 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf? If so, post your comments. What would be especially appreciated would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we should be mulling over.

    Best regards,
    Charles Wankel
    ONE-L List Director
    St. John's University, New York
    http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    Add me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc


  • 8.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-27-2010 18:37
    The whole idea of John Elkington's "triple bottom line" is to deal with
    the "profit-making mission that is logically antithetical to
    conservation" - see www.SustainAbility.com - and chapt 3 at
    http://intergon.net/phd

    John Elkington has been working with Shell and BP for almost 20 years.
    BP has no excuse.

    In my thesis I cited a copy of an 19 Nov 1999 email (appendix A, p
    195-6) in my thesis from the then CEO of Ford (Jac Nassur) discussing
    the meeting between him, John Elkington and then then CEO of BP (Sir
    John Browne). It was sent to "all Ford employees and others" around the
    world.

    http://adt.lib.rmit.edu.au/adt/uploads/approved/adt-VIT20081212.104859/public/02whole.pdf

    BP had no excuse. Industry has no excuse. ISO9001 (quality) requires
    that organisations manage their suppliers properly and ISO14001
    (environment) has more environmental-specific requirements - the
    Chairman of BP said he was not responsible and blamed his supplier!!!!!
    As an ISO9001 lead auditor (I audit over 100 businesses per year) I
    suggest that BP was responsible, because their supplier was not managed
    properly.

    Society at large has a responsiblity, which is a cultural issue and
    culture is at the heart of this problem.

    Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
    Associate of RMIT University - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
    Graduate School of Business
    my "Assessment of Quality Systems with Positioning Theory"
    now in a googe book - see link at http://intergon.net
    >>> "Andre, Rae" <r.andre@NEU.EDU> 28/05/10 7:36 AM >>>
    This oil spill tragedy saddens me deeply. It probably saddens most
    people in the country.

    If we think of the organizational world as comprised of government,
    government sponsored enterprises, and private firms (among others),
    which
    of these is most likely to be responsive to a paradigm shift like the
    shift to sustainability? The government, probably, because as
    individuals
    shift their paradigm from growth to conservation, they will elect
    representatives who agree with them, who will in turn implement
    conservation. GSEs and companies
    are just that much farther removed from elected officials that they will
    be less affected by such paradigm changes. And, too, in the case of
    companies (and some GSEs) , they have a profit-making mission that is
    logically antithetical to conservation. (Long conversation on that will
    not follow!)

    Which brings me to my main point: In my view we are irresponsible, as
    citizens and as teachers, if we are not teaching our students
    about government--good government, accountable government,
    administrative government, corrupt government, and of course business
    and
    government. Somewhere understanding government (and the attendant power
    structures ) has to get into curricula for business (and all) students.



    Rae André, Ph. D.
    Professor, Organizational Behavior and Theory
    College of Business Administration
    Northeastern University

    website: raeandre.com

    "To more hopeful prophets, ties based upon conscious relatedness may
    someday replace those of blood and soil."
    --David Riesman
    ________________________________________
    From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
    [ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    [wankelc@VERIZON.NET]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:07 AM
    To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US
    government in the Gulf?

    Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US
    government in the Gulf? If so, post your comments. What would be
    especially appreciated would be teaching or research takes on the issues
    and approaches that we should be mulling over.

    Best regards,
    Charles Wankel
    ONE-L List Director
    St. John's University, New York
    http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    Add me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc


  • 9.  Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?

    Posted 05-28-2010 08:58
    Hello All,
     
    Backing up the WSJ's coverage of the event, this short article in the New Republic summarizes some of the main gaffes. 
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/william-galston/forget-offshore-drilling-until-we-get-some-answers
    I think more discussion should focus on 1. The (largely ignored) role of Halliburton, who apparently provided the faulty procedures, and 2. The regulatory failures that led to a lack of proper safety equipment on the rigs.
     
    I also agree that this topic becomes much more interesting when we look at wider issues of regulatory capture.  Is this mostly in the oil industry, as some suggested earlier, or to what extent is it a wider problem?
     
    Cheers,
     
    Gazi Islam
    Associate Professor of Business Administration
    Insper Institute for Education and Research
    300 Rua Quatá, Vila Olimpia
    São Paulo SP 04546-042
    Brazil
     
     
     
    > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:36:52 -0700
    > From: gregory.lorton@NAVY.MIL
    > Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?
    > To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    >
    > How about several articles every day in the Wall Street Journal? Today (Thursday May 27) there were several detailed articles discussing the series of events leading to the blow-out itself, as well as predictions of success in the top-kill project. The primary article is on the front page.
    >
    > Regards,
    > Greg Lorton, P.E., D.B.A.
    > Air Quality Program Manager
    > Navy Region Southwest
    > 937 N. Harbor Drive, Room S510
    > San Diego, CA 92132
    > 619-532-2921
    > gregory.lorton@navy.mil
    > and
    > Adjunct Faculty - Strategic Management and Environmental Management
    > Alliant International University
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:08
    > To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    > Subject: Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf?
    >
    > Has anyone noticed the environmental missteps by BP and the US government in the Gulf? If so, post your comments. What would be especially appreciated would be teaching or research takes on the issues and approaches that we should be mulling over.
    >
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Charles Wankel
    >
    > ONE-L List Director
    >
    > St. John's University, New York
    >
    > http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~wankelc
    > Add me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wankelc
    >
    >
    >



    Hotmail : un service de messagerie gratuit, fiable et complet Profitez-en