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From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion [mailto:ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:38 AM
To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Subject: Re: South Florida St. Petersburg [was: RE: Pinstripes]

From: Joseph Sarkis [mailto:jsarkis@clarku.edu]
 

Mike,

 

The road is also littered with carcasses of programs, organizations, and people that did not have a vision, focus, and core competence.

 

-Joe S.

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Joseph Sarkis

Professor of Operations and Writing things to the ONE Listerve when he should be doing other things.

<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Graduate</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">School</st1:placetype></st1:place> of Management

<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Clark</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype></st1:place>

<st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">950 Main Street</st1:address></st1:street>

<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Worcester</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">MA</st1:state>  <st1:postalcode w:st="on">01610-1477</st1:postalcode></st1:place>

 

Phone: 508-793-7659

Fax: 508-793-8822

URL: www.clarku.edu/~jsarkis

jsarkis@clarku.edu

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-----Original Message-----

 

It's reminiscent of the Malcolm Baldridge award curse . . . focus on one thing generally comes at the detriment of other things . . . which brings us back to the important original point that it seems unwise to focus solely on environmental concerns . . . or at least it seems that way in my naive eyes.

 

Just to avoid any confusion, I should probably point out that I am completely independent of the USF St. Pete campus, and have no idea what's going on there. 

 

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Michael L. Barnett, PhD

<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">University of South</st1:city> <st1:state w:st="on">Florida</st1:state></st1:place>

<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">Business Administration</st1:placename></st1:place>

Department of Management & Organization

<st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">4202 E. Fowler Avenue</st1:address></st1:street>, BSN 3527

<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">FL</st1:state> <st1:postalcode w:st="on">33620-5500</st1:postalcode></st1:place>

Phone: 813-974-1727

Fax: 813-974-1734

Webpage: http://www.coba.usf.edu/barnett

 

View my research on my SSRN Author page:
<http://ssrn.com/author=414796>

 

 

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Now I see why Wharton and Harvard opted out of this Survey. 

First RPI loses its program then USF loses its Dean after being recognized.

In <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Boston</st1:place></st1:city> we had the Curse of the Bambino....

In ONE/SIM/CRS/Sustainability we have the Curse of the Pinstripes (Something
to do with Yankees either way).






-----Original Message-----


Note that the dean of the South Florida St. Petersburg business school
has recently resigned, apparently under pressure.  He was active in
emphasizing corporate social responsibility.

http://chronicle.com/weekly/v52/i11/11a00901.htm
http://tinyurl.com/8675f

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Organizations and the Natural Environment Discussion
[mailto:ONE-
> L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barnett, Michael
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:36 PM
> To: ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Pinstripes
>
> Hi Joe.  Yet another example of the problems with measurement!  That's
the
> St. Pete campus that was top small school.  USF has 4 campuses
(campi?),
> or more correct, had 4 campuses.  The St. Pete campus recently became
(or
> is becoming) fully independent.  <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tampa</st1:place></st1:city>, where I'm at, is the main
campus,
> and has about 33,000 of those 42,000 students I think.  Bottom line:
St.
> Pete is a small school.  I certainly don't fault you for falling into
that
> trap, since we try to trick you every step of the way -- USF
(University
> of South Florida) isn't really even in the south of <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:state>!
>
> -----Original Message-----

>
>
> Mike,
>
> I noticed that your school was top small school in Pinstripes. When I
go
> to
> its website, I see it has 42,000 students overall.
>
> -Joe S.
>
> -----Original Message-----

>
> I'll bite, even though I know this discussion is getting off target.
I
> didn't get out on the right, or left, side of the bed today.
>
> There's no problem with striving, even competing to improve.
Competition
> can be a good thing.  It only becomes unhealthy when those striving to
do
> better try to do so through deception or destruction.
>
> The argument should be about whether or not these Pinstripe measures
can
> discern betterment from deception or destruction.  I would hope my
school
> or
> any other would act on any competitive urge to do better at infusing
the
> values of sustainable development.  My fear, of course, is that
they'll
> always go with the low hanging fruit or symbolic efforts.  Thus, we
should
> seek measures that embrace competition, but the right kind of
competition
> --
> a race to the top, not the bottom.
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
> *********************************************
> Michael L. Barnett, PhD
> Department of Management, BSN 3527
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">Business Administration</st1:placename></st1:place>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">University of South</st1:city> <st1:state w:st="on">Florida</st1:state></st1:place>
> <st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">4202 E. Fowler Avenue</st1:address></st1:street>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">FL</st1:state> <st1:postalcode w:st="on">33620</st1:postalcode></st1:place>
> Phone: (813) 974-1727
> Fax: (813) 974-1734
> Website: http://coba.usf.edu/barnett
> View my research on my SSRN Author page:
> <http://ssrn.com/author=414796>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----

>
>
> Andy Hoffman just pointed out the potential contradiction between the
> inclusiveness/cooperativeness of sustainable development and the
notion of
> educational programs competing to be the best at infusing these
values.
>
> I agree. I see an even more egregious contradiction between (a) the
> importance of transparency many incorporate in the notion of
> sustainability,
> and (b) the quite limited transparency about the Pinstripe methodology
> used
> to assess educational institutions and faculty pioneers.
>
>
> Mike Toffel
> Haas School of Business
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">California</st1:placename></st1:place>
> 545 Student Services Bldg #1900
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Berkeley</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">CA</st1:state> <st1:postalcode w:st="on">94720-1900</st1:postalcode></st1:place>
> Office: (510) 642-9949
> Cell: (510) 847-8160
> Email: toffel@haas.berkeley.edu
> http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/toffel/
>
>