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Greetings ONE-L,

A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.

1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have embarked on
corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then built in
very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN Amro,
Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this moves
from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to building
the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into their
personal identity.

2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want to
go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound difference
between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman catholic
notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards to
aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and may
not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing pretty
well.

I wonder if these ideas draw comment??

Nigel Roome



> Greetings, ONE-L,
>
> I’m looking for some citations for a paper and talk I’m preparing, working
> title “From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.”
>
> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has published
> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental belief
> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial) performance.
>
> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and organizational
> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard Lyman
> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell’s September 12 New Yorker article on Rick
> Warren.
>
> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> religion management?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> __________________________________________________
> Kurt Fischer
> The Greening of Industry Network
> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189 kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>
> Dates to note:
> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN workshop
> at
> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the Greening
> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>
>
>
>

see Andy Hoffman's book, from Heresy to Dogma....



Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
Economics and Decision Sciences Research
National Center for Environmental Research
8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20460
202-343-9687
202-233-0678 (fax)

Courier Delivery Address:
USEPA, NCER
Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
1025 F Street NW
Washington, DC 20004-1409

visionaries are one thing...
has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die - if
so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
details of who was involved and what happened.


Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
Economics and Decision Sciences Research
National Center for Environmental Research
8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20460
202-343-9687
202-233-0678 (fax)

Courier Delivery Address:
USEPA, NCER
Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
1025 F Street NW
Washington, DC 20004-1409



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Greetings ONE-L,

A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.

1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have embarked
on
corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then built
in
very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN Amro,
Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
moves
from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to building
the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
their
personal identity.

2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want to
go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
difference
between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman catholic
notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
to
aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
may
not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
pretty
well.

I wonder if these ideas draw comment??

Nigel Roome



> Greetings, ONE-L,
>
> I’m looking for some citations for a paper and talk I’m preparing,
working
> title “From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.”
>
> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
published
> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
belief
> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
performance.
>
> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
organizational
> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
Lyman
> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell’s September 12 New Yorker article on Rick
> Warren.
>
> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> religion management?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> __________________________________________________
> Kurt Fischer
> The Greening of Industry Network
> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>
> Dates to note:
> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
workshop
> at
> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
Greening
> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>
>
>
>

Nigel,

So does that make Protestants more environmentally conscious than
Catholics, or vice versa? I wonder where that puts the other religions?
:)

-Joe S.

==============================================
Joseph Sarkis
Professor of Operations and Environmental Management
Graduate School of Management
Clark University
950 Main Street
Worcester, MA 01610-1477

Phone: 508-793-7659
Fax: 508-793-8822
URL: www.clarku.edu/~jsarkis
jsarkis@clarku.edu
==============================================


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Greetings ONE-L,

A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.

1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have embarked
on
corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then built
in
very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN Amro,
Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
moves
from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to building
the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
their
personal identity.

2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want to
go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
difference
between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman catholic
notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
to
aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
may
not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
pretty
well.

I wonder if these ideas draw comment??

Nigel Roome



> Greetings, ONE-L,
>
> I'm looking for some citations for a paper and talk I'm preparing,
working
> title "From Epiphany to Environmental Belief."
>
> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
published
> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
belief
> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
performance.
>
> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
organizational
> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
Lyman
> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell's September 12 New Yorker article on Rick
> Warren.
>
> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> religion management?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> __________________________________________________
> Kurt Fischer
> The Greening of Industry Network
> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>
> Dates to note:
> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
workshop
> at
> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
Greening
> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>
>
>
>

There is a great book called: "Beyond the Bottom line" which is a series of cases on social innovators who built large organizations.

In the final chapter, the author discusses legacy issues: i.e. what happens to the social (or could be environmental) innovation once the leader or champion leaves. One of the findings is that once a charismatic leader goes, there likely to be a drop off in commitment for the innovation, because the loyalty was to the leader, not the innovation per se.

In any case, it's an interesting read:
Jack Quarter, 2000, Beyond the Bottom Line: Socially Innovative Business Owners, Quorum Books, Westport CT and London

Anastasia O'Rourke


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visionaries are one thing...
has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die - if
so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
details of who was involved and what happened.


Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
Economics and Decision Sciences Research
National Center for Environmental Research
8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20460
202-343-9687
202-233-0678 (fax)

Courier Delivery Address:
USEPA, NCER
Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
1025 F Street NW
Washington, DC 20004-1409



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Greetings ONE-L,

A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.

1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have embarked
on
corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then built
in
very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN Amro,
Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
moves
from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to building
the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
their
personal identity.

2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want to
go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
difference
between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman catholic
notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
to
aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
may
not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
pretty
well.

I wonder if these ideas draw comment??

Nigel Roome



> Greetings, ONE-L,
>
> I’m looking for some citations for a paper and talk I’m preparing,
working
> title “From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.”
>
> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
published
> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
belief
> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
performance.
>
> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
organizational
> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
Lyman
> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell’s September 12 New Yorker article on Rick
> Warren.
>
> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> religion management?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> __________________________________________________
> Kurt Fischer
> The Greening of Industry Network
> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>
> Dates to note:
> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
workshop
> at
> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
Greening
> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>
>
>
>

Dinah's observation about visionaries leaving touches on one of the biggest
problems of greening larger organizations. Most enviro improvements are at
the department / process level, and supervised by professional middle
managers. This class of manager moves around a great deal, including in and
out of firms. Especially the innovative dynamic ones who we would expect to
be most likely to be green champions. So the enviro champions are seldom in
the same place for more than a few years. Many env improvements take some
time to show payback, thus the manager moving on soon has no direct
incentive to see them through. This is why programs that do not
institutionalize performance indicators within the management system itself
do not get very far, in my opinion. I bet there is some literature on the
problem of rational decision making vs manager turnover.

Burton Hamner
Director, Cleaner Production International
Producer, http://www.CleanerProduction.Com
5534 30th Avenue NE, Seattle, WA 91805
wbhamner@cleanerproduction.com
(206) 526-5308
mobile (206) 491-0945
fax (206) 260-9001
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visionaries are one thing...
has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die - if
so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
details of who was involved and what happened.


Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
Economics and Decision Sciences Research
National Center for Environmental Research
8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20460
202-343-9687
202-233-0678 (fax)

Courier Delivery Address:
USEPA, NCER
Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
1025 F Street NW
Washington, DC 20004-1409



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Greetings ONE-L,

A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.

1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have embarked
on
corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then built
in
very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN Amro,
Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
moves
from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to building
the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
their
personal identity.

2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want to
go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
difference
between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman catholic
notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
to
aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
may
not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
pretty
well.

I wonder if these ideas draw comment??

Nigel Roome



> Greetings, ONE-L,
>
> I'm looking for some citations for a paper and talk I'm preparing,
working
> title "From Epiphany to Environmental Belief."
>
> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
published
> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
belief
> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
performance.
>
> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
organizational
> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
Lyman
> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell's September 12 New Yorker article on Rick
> Warren.
>
> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> religion management?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> __________________________________________________
> Kurt Fischer
> The Greening of Industry Network
> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>
> Dates to note:
> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
workshop
> at
> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
Greening
> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>
>
>
>

I group sustainability (tbl etc), quality, OH&S, EEO, affirmative
action, etc as obligatory and externally imposed (OEI) issues. THey are
only dealt with if they are demanded and their is an internal
organisational champion. If you study your question on a broader OEI
context you may find an interesting correlation.

Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
Research Fellow - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
Centre for Management Quality Research
Read The Sustainable Way - see http://intergon.net/tsw
Improvement Implementation: http://intergon.net

>>> Koehler.Dinah@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV 01/12/2005 2:32 am >>>
visionaries are one thing...
has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die -
if
so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
details of who was involved and what happened.


Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
Economics and Decision Sciences Research
National Center for Environmental Research
8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20460
202-343-9687
202-233-0678 (fax)

Courier Delivery Address:
USEPA, NCER
Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
1025 F Street NW
Washington, DC 20004-1409




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Greetings ONE-L,

A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.

1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have
embarked
on
corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then
built
in
very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN
Amro,
Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
moves
from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to
building
the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
their
personal identity.

2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want
to
go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
difference
between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman
catholic
notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
to
aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
may
not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
pretty
well.

I wonder if these ideas draw comment??

Nigel Roome



> Greetings, ONE-L,
>
> I'm looking for some citations for a paper and talk I'm
preparing,
working
> title "From Epiphany to Environmental Belief."
>
> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
published
> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and
management.
> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
belief
> structure as translated into business plan, but also at
environmental
> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
performance.
>
> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
organizational
> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
Lyman
> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell's September 12 New Yorker article on
Rick
> Warren.
>
> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or
secular
> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> religion management?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> __________________________________________________
> Kurt Fischer
> The Greening of Industry Network
> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>
> Dates to note:
> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
workshop
> at
> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
Greening
> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>
>
>
>

Dinah,

from 1997-2001 we had a grant to undertake a longitudinal study in real
time of corporate environmental management. We found lots of examples of
dis-continuities in practice arising from people leaving and issues like
mergers and acquisitions. In particular when key people left companies
their networks were also often lost.

Nigel Roome

> visionaries are one thing...
> has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
> organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die - if
> so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
> I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
> details of who was involved and what happened.
>
>
> Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
> Economics and Decision Sciences Research
> National Center for Environmental Research
> 8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
> Washington, DC 20460
> 202-343-9687
> 202-233-0678 (fax)
>
> Courier Delivery Address:
> USEPA, NCER
> Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
> 1025 F Street NW
> Washington, DC 20004-1409
>
>
>
> roome@FSW.EUR.NL
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>
> A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.
>
> 1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have embarked
> on
> corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then built
> in
> very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
> 'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN Amro,
> Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
> moves
> from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to building
> the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
> their
> personal identity.
>
> 2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
> greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want to
> go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
> difference
> between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman catholic
> notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
> You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
> to
> aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
> may
> not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
> pretty
> well.
>
> I wonder if these ideas draw comment??
>
> Nigel Roome
>
>
>
>> Greetings, ONE-L,
>>
>> I’m looking for some citations for a paper and talk I’m preparing,
> working
>> title “From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.”
>>
>> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
>> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
> published
>> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
>> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
>> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
>> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
> belief
>> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
>> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
> performance.
>>
>> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
> organizational
>> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
> Lyman
>> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell’s September 12 New Yorker article on
>> Rick
>> Warren.
>>
>> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
>> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
>> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
>> religion management?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Kurt Fischer
>> The Greening of Industry Network
>> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
> kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
>> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
>> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>>
>> Dates to note:
>> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
> workshop
>> at
>> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
>> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
> Greening
>> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Hi Kurt.

You might want to look at John Dryzek's (1997) book -- The Politics of the Earth: Environmental Discourses. The book evaluates how different people arrive at their environmental values by disentangling multiple environmental discourses (including those put forward by different religions).

Best wishes,

Nicole

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----- Original Message -----
From: Kurt Fischer <kfischer@CLARKU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:31 pm
Subject: question re. epiphanies and environmental performance in business

> Greetings, ONE-L,
>
> I?m looking for some citations for a paper and talk I?m preparing,
> workingtitle ?From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.?
>
> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
> publishedanalytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing
> religiousorganizations, looking at how business leaders went or
> might go from
> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
> beliefstructure as translated into business plan, but also at
> environmentalrecord, sustainability indicators, and business
> (financial) performance.
>
> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
> organizationalmanagement, I am looking at the new book on Joseph
> Smith by Richard Lyman
> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell?s September 12 New Yorker article on Rick
> Warren.
>
> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> religion management?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> __________________________________________________
> Kurt Fischer
> The Greening of Industry Network
> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
> kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.orgJOIN GIN!
> http://www.greeningofindustry.org/<http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>
> Dates to note:
> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
> workshop at
> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
> Greeningof Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>
>
>
>

So does this mean that we should expect corporate environmental
performance to "improve" in spurts? No smooth improvements (i.e. curves)
in performance over time?
What does this mean for empirical analyses? Are annual data
appropriate/sufficient? Averages over time? Monthly better? WHAT IS
AVAILABLE?!
Have you (or others) analyzed the relative importance of personal
networks (knowledge transfer/networks) vs. other variables that might
affect environmental performance?

Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
Economics and Decision Sciences Research
National Center for Environmental Research
8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20460
202-343-9687
202-233-0678 (fax)

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from 1997-2001 we had a grant to undertake a longitudinal study in real
time of corporate environmental management. We found lots of examples
of
dis-continuities in practice arising from people leaving and issues like
mergers and acquisitions. In particular when key people left companies
their networks were also often lost.

Nigel Roome

> visionaries are one thing...
> has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
> organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die -
if
> so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
> I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
> details of who was involved and what happened.
>
>
> Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
> Economics and Decision Sciences Research
> National Center for Environmental Research
> 8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
> Washington, DC 20460
> 202-343-9687
> 202-233-0678 (fax)
>
> Courier Delivery Address:
> USEPA, NCER
> Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
> 1025 F Street NW
> Washington, DC 20004-1409
>
>
>
> roome@FSW.EUR.NL
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> environmental performance in
> business
> 11/30/2005 02:05
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>
>
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> to
> Organizations
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings ONE-L,
>
> A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.
>
> 1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have
embarked
> on
> corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then
built
> in
> very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
> 'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN
Amro,
> Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
> moves
> from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to
building
> the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
> their
> personal identity.
>
> 2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
> greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want
to
> go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
> difference
> between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman
catholic
> notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
> You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
> to
> aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
> may
> not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
> pretty
> well.
>
> I wonder if these ideas draw comment??
>
> Nigel Roome
>
>
>
>> Greetings, ONE-L,
>>
>> I’m looking for some citations for a paper and talk I’m
preparing,
> working
>> title “From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.”
>>
>> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
>> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
> published
>> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
>> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
>> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
>> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
> belief
>> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
>> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
> performance.
>>
>> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
> organizational
>> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
> Lyman
>> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell’s September 12 New Yorker article on
>> Rick
>> Warren.
>>
>> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
>> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
>> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
>> religion management?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Kurt Fischer
>> The Greening of Industry Network
>> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
> kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
>> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
>> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>>
>> Dates to note:
>> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
> workshop
>> at
>> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
>> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
> Greening
>> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Dinah

Perhaps if the scale is large enough the improvements will look gradual. The smoothness of implementation of improvements depends on the number of resources (people) available to facilitate the improvemetns.

Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA BTech(IndEng) - 0411267256
Research Fellow - lionel.boxer@rmit.edu.au
Centre for Management Quality Research
Read The Sustainable Way - see http://intergon.net/tsw
Improvement Implementation: http://intergon.net

>>> Koehler.Dinah@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV 02/12/2005 6:15 am >>>
So does this mean that we should expect corporate environmental
performance to "improve" in spurts? No smooth improvements (i.e. curves)
in performance over time?
What does this mean for empirical analyses? Are annual data
appropriate/sufficient? Averages over time? Monthly better? WHAT IS
AVAILABLE?!
Have you (or others) analyzed the relative importance of personal
networks (knowledge transfer/networks) vs. other variables that might
affect environmental performance?

Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
Economics and Decision Sciences Research
National Center for Environmental Research
8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20460
202-343-9687
202-233-0678 (fax)

Courier Delivery Address:
USEPA, NCER
Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
1025 F Street NW
Washington, DC 20004-1409



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Dinah,

from 1997-2001 we had a grant to undertake a longitudinal study in real
time of corporate environmental management. We found lots of examples
of
dis-continuities in practice arising from people leaving and issues like
mergers and acquisitions. In particular when key people left companies
their networks were also often lost.

Nigel Roome

> visionaries are one thing...
> has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
> organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die -
if
> so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
> I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
> details of who was involved and what happened.
>
>
> Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
> Economics and Decision Sciences Research
> National Center for Environmental Research
> 8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
> Washington, DC 20460
> 202-343-9687
> 202-233-0678 (fax)
>
> Courier Delivery Address:
> USEPA, NCER
> Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
> 1025 F Street NW
> Washington, DC 20004-1409
>
>
>
> roome@FSW.EUR.NL
> Sent by:
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To
> and the Natural ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
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> Discussion
> <ONE-L@AOMLISTS.
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> PACE.EDU> Re: question re. epiphanies and
> environmental performance in
> business
> 11/30/2005 02:05
> AM
>
>
> Please respond
> to
> Organizations
> and the Natural
> Environment
> Discussion
> <ONE-L@AOMLISTS.
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings ONE-L,
>
> A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.
>
> 1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have
embarked
> on
> corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then
built
> in
> very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
> 'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN
Amro,
> Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
> moves
> from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to
building
> the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
> their
> personal identity.
>
> 2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
> greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want
to
> go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
> difference
> between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman
catholic
> notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
> You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
> to
> aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
> may
> not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
> pretty
> well.
>
> I wonder if these ideas draw comment??
>
> Nigel Roome
>
>
>
>> Greetings, ONE-L,
>>
>> Iâ€*m looking for some citations for a paper and talk Iâ€*m
preparing,
> working
>> title â€*From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.â€*
>>
>> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
>> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
> published
>> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
>> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
>> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
>> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
> belief
>> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
>> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
> performance.
>>
>> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
> organizational
>> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
> Lyman
>> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwellâ€*s September 12 New Yorker article on
>> Rick
>> Warren.
>>
>> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
>> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
>> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
>> religion management?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Kurt Fischer
>> The Greening of Industry Network
>> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
> kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
>> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
>> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
>>
>> Dates to note:
>> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
> workshop
>> at
>> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
>> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
> Greening
>> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Dinah's questions highlight the significance of
the White House's proposal to change the
reporting requirements for TRI annual to biannual.

At 02:15 PM 12/1/2005, Koehler.Dinah@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV wrote:
>So does this mean that we should expect corporate environmental
>performance to "improve" in spurts? No smooth improvements (i.e. curves)
>in performance over time?
>What does this mean for empirical analyses? Are annual data
>appropriate/sufficient? Averages over time? Monthly better? WHAT IS
>AVAILABLE?!
>Have you (or others) analyzed the relative importance of personal
>networks (knowledge transfer/networks) vs. other variables that might
>affect environmental performance?
>
>Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
>Economics and Decision Sciences Research
>National Center for Environmental Research
>8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
>Washington, DC 20460
>202-343-9687
>202-233-0678 (fax)
>
>Courier Delivery Address:
>USEPA, NCER
>Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
>1025 F Street NW
>Washington, DC 20004-1409
>
>
>
> roome@FSW.EUR.NL
> Sent by:
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> Discussion
> <ONE-L@AOMLISTS. Subject
> PACE.EDU> Re: question re. epiphanies and
> environmental performance in
> business
> 12/01/2005 10:48
> AM
>
>
> Please respond
> to
> Organizations
> and the Natural
> Environment
> Discussion
> <ONE-L@AOMLISTS.
> PACE.EDU>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Dinah,
>
>from 1997-2001 we had a grant to undertake a longitudinal study in real
>time of corporate environmental management. We found lots of examples
>of
>dis-continuities in practice arising from people leaving and issues like
>mergers and acquisitions. In particular when key people left companies
>their networks were also often lost.
>
>Nigel Roome
>
> > visionaries are one thing...
> > has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
> > organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die -
>if
> > so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
> > I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget the
> > details of who was involved and what happened.
> >
> >
> > Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
> > Economics and Decision Sciences Research
> > National Center for Environmental Research
> > 8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
> > Washington, DC 20460
> > 202-343-9687
> > 202-233-0678 (fax)
> >
> > Courier Delivery Address:
> > USEPA, NCER
> > Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
> > 1025 F Street NW
> > Washington, DC 20004-1409
> >
> >
> >
> > roome@FSW.EUR.NL
> > Sent by:
> > Organizations
>To
> > and the Natural ONE-L@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
> > Environment
>cc
> > Discussion
> > <ONE-L@AOMLISTS.
>Subject
> > PACE.EDU> Re: question re. epiphanies and
> > environmental performance in
> > business
> > 11/30/2005 02:05
> > AM
> >
> >
> > Please respond
> > to
> > Organizations
> > and the Natural
> > Environment
> > Discussion
> > <ONE-L@AOMLISTS.
> > PACE.EDU>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings ONE-L,
> >
> > A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.
> >
> > 1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have
>embarked
> > on
> > corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then
>built
> > in
> > very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of their
> > 'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN
>Amro,
> > Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
> > moves
> > from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to
>building
> > the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
> > their
> > personal identity.
> >
> > 2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
> > greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you want
>to
> > go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
> > difference
> > between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman
>catholic
> > notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum standards.
> > You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as standards
> > to
> > aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed and
> > may
> > not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
> > pretty
> > well.
> >
> > I wonder if these ideas draw comment??
> >
> > Nigel Roome
> >
> >
> >
> >> Greetings, ONE-L,
> >>
> >> I’m looking for some citations for ar a paper and talk I’m
>preparing,
> > working
> >> tittitle “From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.â€Â
>
> >>
> >> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that Andy
> >> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
> > published
> >> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> >> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go from
> >> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and management.
> >> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
> > belief
> >> structure as translated into business plan, but also at environmental
> >> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
> > performance.
> >>
> >> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
> > organizational
> >> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
> > Lyman
> >> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell’s September 12 New Yorker article on
> >> Rickick
> >> Warren.
> >>
> >> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look on
> >> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or secular
> >> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> >> religion management?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> Kurt Fischer
> >> The Greening of Industry Network
> >> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
> > kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> >> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> >> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
> >>
> >> Dates to note:
> >> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
> > workshop
> >> at
> >> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> >> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
> > Greening
> >> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >

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Dir. School of Forestry & Env. Studies
Industrial Environmental Mgmt. Program Yale University
Editor, Journal of Industrial Ecology 205 Prospect Street
203-432-6949 (tel) -5912 (fax) New Haven, CT 06511-2189 USA
reid.lifset@yale.edu
http://mitpress.mit.edu/JIE

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question of last week. I received
many private responses, too, with very good discussions, suggestions, and
citations, and a satisfying array of choices of threads and paths to pursue.

Dinah wrote:
"> has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
> organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die - if
> so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?"

and Nigel responded:
"We found lots of examples of
dis-continuities in practice arising from people leaving and issues like
mergers and acquisitions. In particular when key people left companies
their networks were also often lost."

I'd like to suggest two possible lines of inquiry: 1) Look at the money
management and the need to convince the shareholders and bankrollers. I
think that CERES has one approach, but their impact is limited in my view.
(Also, back to the metaphor of proselytizing religion, in using shareholder
resolutions, they (CERES) certainly hold corporate feet to the fire til
companies convert.) 2) One corporate VP I interviewed 15 years ago told me
that his company's name was really an acronym for "Our leader is new."

Also, I recall that Carl Frankel wrote an article a few years back about
departing corporate visionaries, something to the effect of "Demise of the
Green Giants" or something like that. (Carl, r u there?)

But back to my original question, if we want to learn from examples of how
visionaries' visions are translated and incorporated effectively into
organizational plan, results, durability, and longevity, why not study
Joseph Smith and Mother Ann Lee?

And now that my paper "From Epiphany to Environmental Belief" appears to be
turning into a book, I envision a chapter comparing the Great Awakening of
ca. 1830 to the Environmental Movement of ca. 1970.

Kurt

__________________________________________________
Kurt Fischer
The Greening of Industry Network
tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189 kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/

Dates to note:
February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN workshop at
the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA: Abstracts
by December 31, 2005
July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the Greening
of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK: Abstracts by January 16, 2006.

With biannual TRI - TRI as one of the main datasources for researchers
in corporate environmental behavior is lost, or at least poses some
statistical challenges.

Maybe that is a good thing, as TRI is very tempting to use, but its
accuracy is questionable...
Is questionable data better than no data?!


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Dinah's questions highlight the significance of
the White House's proposal to change the
reporting requirements for TRI annual to biannual.

At 02:15 PM 12/1/2005, Koehler.Dinah@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV wrote:
>So does this mean that we should expect corporate environmental
>performance to "improve" in spurts? No smooth improvements (i.e.
curves)
>in performance over time?
>What does this mean for empirical analyses? Are annual data
>appropriate/sufficient? Averages over time? Monthly better? WHAT IS
>AVAILABLE?!
>Have you (or others) analyzed the relative importance of personal
>networks (knowledge transfer/networks) vs. other variables that might
>affect environmental performance?
>
>Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
>Economics and Decision Sciences Research
>National Center for Environmental Research
>8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
>Washington, DC 20460
>202-343-9687
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>from 1997-2001 we had a grant to undertake a longitudinal study in real
>time of corporate environmental management. We found lots of examples
>of
>dis-continuities in practice arising from people leaving and issues
like
>mergers and acquisitions. In particular when key people left companies
>their networks were also often lost.
>
>Nigel Roome
>
> > visionaries are one thing...
> > has anyone done any research to figure out what happens to an
> > organization when the enviro visionary leaves? Does the effort die -
>if
> > so, then why should we be so excited about visionaries?
> > I recall some chatter about such an event at Monsanto, but forget
the
> > details of who was involved and what happened.
> >
> >
> > Dinah Koehler, Sc.D.
> > Economics and Decision Sciences Research
> > National Center for Environmental Research
> > 8722F, 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
> > Washington, DC 20460
> > 202-343-9687
> > 202-233-0678 (fax)
> >
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> > USEPA, NCER
> > Room 3319E Woodies Bldg
> > 1025 F Street NW
> > Washington, DC 20004-1409
> >
> >
> >
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> > Greetings ONE-L,
> >
> > A coiuple of thoughts re: Kurt Fischer's questions.
> >
> > 1. It seems to me that there are many senior managers who have
>embarked
> > on
> > corporate environmental practices for managerial reasons and then
>built
> > in
> > very deep personal commitments as they discover this as part of
their
> > 'life mission'. David Buzzelli from Dow, Herman Mulder fromn ABN
>Amro,
> > Ray Anderson from Interface. The interesting thing is the way this
> > moves
> > from a position of dealing with an external concern or issue to
>building
> > the develop and practice of corporate enviornmental management into
> > their
> > personal identity.
> >
> > 2. Second we all know that much of CEM is rhetorical. Sometimes
> > greenwash, sometimes because vision, by definition, is where you
want
>to
> > go not where you are. But I want to draw also on the profound
> > difference
> > between the perspectives of anglo-saxon ideas of law and roman
>catholic
> > notions of law. To anglo-saxons laws generally set minimum
standards.
> > You meet these or not. In catholic thinking laws are set as
standards
> > to
> > aspire to but with a recognition that humans are mortal and flawed
and
> > may
> > not get to these standards. But in aspiring to them they are doing
> > pretty
> > well.
> >
> > I wonder if these ideas draw comment??
> >
> > Nigel Roome
> >
> >
> >
> >> Greetings, ONE-L,
> >>
> >> I̢۪m looking for some citations for ar a paper and talk I̢۪m
>preparing,
> > working
> >> tittitle “From Epiphany to Environmental Belief.â€Â
>
> >>
> >> Our discussion of a couple of weeks ago about Ray Anderson that
Andy
> >> Hoffman started and on epiphanies got me wondering if anyone has
> > published
> >> analytical and critical comparisons to proselytizing religious
> >> organizations, looking at how business leaders went or might go
from
> >> environmental epiphany to environmental belief, zeal, and
management.
> >> Critical in the sense of looking at not only at the environmental
> > belief
> >> structure as translated into business plan, but also at
environmental
> >> record, sustainability indicators, and business (financial)
> > performance.
> >>
> >> For a couple of starting points re. religious belief and
> > organizational
> >> management, I am looking at the new book on Joseph Smith by Richard
> > Lyman
> >> Bushman and Malcolm Gladwell̢۪s September 12 New Yorker article
on
> >> Rickick
> >> Warren.
> >>
> >> Can anyone point me toward citations of publications that 1) look
on
> >> environmental management as religious or evangelical quest or
secular
> >> religion, or 2) that draw lessons for environmental management from
> >> religion management?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> Kurt Fischer
> >> The Greening of Industry Network
> >> tel 781.646.4596 fax 781.646.4189
> > kurt.fischer@greeningofindustry.org
> >> JOIN GIN! http://www.greeningofindustry.org/
> >> <http://www.greeningofindustry.org/>
> >>
> >> Dates to note:
> >> February 17-18, 2006: Sustainable Regions and Global Trade, GIN
> > workshop
> >> at
> >> the School for International Training, Brattleboro, Vermont USA.
> >> July 2-5, 2006: GIN2006, The 13th International Conference of the
> > Greening
> >> of Industry Network, Cardiff University, UK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >

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